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Engine Oil & Filter Change - DIY Article
« on: 23 June, 2008, 11:50:35 PM »
BB has now added a DIY article titled "Engine Oil & Filter Change" to the Articles section: https://www.cbf1000.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=75&Itemid=29

May I suggest we use this thread for further comments, tips, images and experiences related to "Oil Service".

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Re: Engine Oil & Filter Change - DIY Article
« Reply #1 on: 24 June, 2008, 12:39:45 AM »
Good clear write up Freddy. No excuse for anyone not doing an oil change themselves now.

One comment, and Im being hyper-critical here. You quote the type of oil straight from the Honda book but the trouble is Honda have been putting the same thing in their books for years and not kept it up to date with changes. JASO is defunct and I don't think anyone is still using it - even Honda. Look at a bottle of Honda oil !! There is a whole history to this relating to catalysts and emissions regulations. The important thing is the oil must have an API classification of SG or above ( SH,  SJ etc and the higher the better ) and must not be an energy conserving oil ( too thin ) although some of the full synthetic 0-30 oils probably are still OK.

Sorry to nit-pic but oil is a pet subject of mine.

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Re: Engine Oil & Filter Change - DIY Article
« Reply #2 on: 24 June, 2008, 12:59:28 AM »
Hi badapple,
do not feel sorry for bringing good knowledge forward. That was the whole idea for having this thread to supplement the article. When we have consolidated our thoughts on oil recommendations (it's to late in the night for me to do that now  :087:) we will update and improve the article.

Regards ... Freddy  :002:

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Re: Engine Oil & Filter Change - DIY Article
« Reply #3 on: 24 June, 2008, 06:35:15 AM »
 :031: freddy will be doing it my self from nowon can you put other oil in other than honda oil ta andy.b

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Re: Engine Oil & Filter Change - DIY Article
« Reply #4 on: 24 June, 2008, 01:27:47 PM »
Nice article Freddy!

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Re: Engine Oil & Filter Change - DIY Article
« Reply #5 on: 24 June, 2008, 02:26:43 PM »
sorry but oil capacity with filter is about 3,1 lt not 3,5lt

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Re: Engine Oil & Filter Change - DIY Article
« Reply #6 on: 24 June, 2008, 06:06:50 PM »
First of all, it seems clear that selection of the proper oil is in itself worthy a specific DIY article  :015: As I really never went deep into this subject I'm not the right to write it though. What about you badapple? You almost invited yourself to this :152:

In my article I hence made the minimalistic approach of just reporting what is "recommended" in the Honda service manual as weel as in the Owners manual. I should also have mentioned that the same manuals specifies:"API classification: SG or higher (except oils labled energy conserving on the circular API service label)". This is in-line with what you wrote badapple.

I bought the oil at my local authorized Honda dealer. They recommended "Castrol Power1 GPS 4T" which is labled "SAE 10W-30, API SJ, JASO T 903:2006 - MA". Further it uses "Trizone Technology" and claims to be "high performant, fluent and formulated to reduce internal losses in the engine". The last part of this sounds a a basic goal for any oil, but it also sounds a little like saying "energy conserving"  :210: , which would not be acceptable, according to the manual. It has no circular API label by the way.

Visiting another local mc-shop I was told that the oil sold by the Honda dealer was "completely wrong" and they had the "absolutely right oil" for me instead. I got the impression they were trying to convince me that the engine would melt down or something worse.

If all this sounds confusing, I think that is what it is. I also believe that it is not all that critical in the end. If you want to optimize, then the best is probably to  reduce the interval between oil service from the 12000 km to say 8000 km. Remember that the more km the oil has gone, the more particles it will contain.

Finally concerning the oil capacity, the manual claims 3.5 liters equivalent to 3.7 US qt and to 3.1 Imp qt. Looking on the remains in the 4 liter container from Castrol it's now slightly above the 1 liter marking, so it seems to have actually only taken arround 3 liters.

So basic conclusion: This is one the simplest DIY tasks. Don't be afraid of it. It has all the benefits: Difficult to do wrong, saves you money, only a few tools are needed and most importently: you get wonderfully greasy - enough to impress your spouse to most likely serve a good rewarding evening meal afterwards  :001:

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Re: Engine Oil & Filter Change - DIY Article
« Reply #7 on: 24 June, 2008, 10:59:13 PM »
From reading previous posts here it seems that approx 90% of us use castrol GPS semi-synth 10-40W, steer well clear of "energy conserving" labelled oil.....your clutch wont thank you for it. :004:

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Re: Engine Oil & Filter Change - DIY Article
« Reply #8 on: 25 June, 2008, 12:08:03 AM »
What about you badapple? You almost invited yourself to this

Don't know if I want to do that Freddy. Although Iv done a good bit of digging on the subject Im still no expert as its very complicated and there is so much conflicting information out there.

The two questions I went looking for an answer to were, having three vehicles in the house, a diesel car, a petrol car and a bike, so do I really need three types of oil? If the bike needs bike specific oil what is it thats unique about it?

After many hours reading and trying to separate the facts from the advertising hype I have come to the conclusion that there is no difference at all. It is common for the same oil to be put into three different bottles and sold at three different prices, and its all down to marketing and profit.

If I can give any advice it is to go by the specification rather than the blurb on the container and change your oil frequently because it will extend the life of your engine and gearbox.

Its only fair I suppose to tell you what I do myself. At 5 to 6 thousand miles a year I change the oil twice, the first is when the bike is going into hibernation for winter and the second after about 3 thousand miles in the middle of summer. I only change the filter at the first oil change. The oil Im using at the moment is Halfords full synthetic oil as they had a very good deal on it last summer and I stocked up - 20L for £64. This more than meets the specifications for all three vehicles. Interestingly when I spoke to the manager at Halfords asking what the difference was in the three types of synthetic oil they sold was he phoned up his head office to ask and came back with the answer " they are all the same ".

Could go on all night but you will be glad to hear I wont .

Good article if anyone is interested .
« Last Edit: 25 June, 2008, 12:09:57 AM by badapple »

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Re: Engine Oil & Filter Change - DIY Article
« Reply #9 on: 25 June, 2008, 12:03:05 PM »
Errrr ... not all true ..... The main differences are temperature ratings, adhesion qualities viscosity and any additives in the oil eg detergents ..... I help to refine oil and the crap we put in it would make you think twice !!!!